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"Jerry Lucky's" (Progressiveland's) Commentary

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Commentary-By "Jerry Lucky"

Neo-Prog Misconceptions - 12through 13:

OK so here we..let's wrap this commentary up. By now if you've been reading along you'll realize the concept of Neo-Progressive rock is one that's a bit of sore spot with me. Not that I dislike the music but rather its the term itself I find reprehensible. So let list my last two misconceptions and summarize why I feel the term is a mistake. Read on... ***

· Misconception 12 – Neo-Prog is less competent musically In a world where the latest pop or rock star can hit the charts with a raft of studio trickery it seems disingenuous to haul out the “less competent musically” card. By and large musicians who are interested in prog are interested in it because of the musicianship. This is one of the reasons they get into this genre above the usual stuff they hear on the radio. It is obvious that every musician will be coming into the music creation process with their skills developed to varying degrees. Some will have formal training from their early years others will not. A band like Spock’s Beard came on the scene with a very high degree of musical talent and ability, certainly on par with the bands of the seventies. There are scores of bands such as Glass Hammer or Salem Hill who along with Spock’s Beard are considered by some to be Neo-Prog and yet are highly competent musically. Even a band like Jadis who many consider the epitome of Neo-Prog display a tremendous amount of musicianship when compared to so much of what is played by mainstream radio these days. ***

Each of us may be able to point to a band that we feel suffers from a lack of musicianship but it is a gross generalization to suggest bands considered to be Neo-Prog in general suffer from a lack of skills. Certainly, there may be some whose skills are not as developed just as would be the case in any musical endeavour, but to suggest that bands classed as Neo-Prog are generally less competent musically is painfully dishonest. Lets remember that far too many of those bands we first heard in the seventies were far from musical maestros on their instrument of choice, it’s just that then, as today; they were performing far and away more competently than so much of what else was common on the radio. So it was then, so it is today. ***

· Misconception 13 – Neo-Prog is a universally accepted term. There is a common misconception that the term Neo-Prog is somehow universally accepted and there could be nothing further from the truth. If there are some who don’t accept the term, me for example, it is by definition in no way universal. It is by and large a term that has been cultivated by certain critics and spread through internet use to other parts of the world in what might be best described as in a haphazard fashion. It is still a term that finds limited acceptance in the UK and many parts of the world. This is evidenced by the number of individuals outside the still select group of prog aficionados who have little or no understanding of its meaning. ***

This is a term that not only spreads confusion but is itself wrapped in confusion by virtue of the inability to clearly identify what it stands for and support an argument that decisively defines what Neo-Prog actually is to the listener. Neo-Prog as a term is itself an assertion with no justifiable support. As can be clearly seen by the un-masking of the previous 12 misconceptions, each argument supposedly supporting this definition fails in its task to do so. Neo-Prog as a sub-genre of Symphonic Prog cannot be logically supported by argument. I suggest therefore that it is a term of no value. ***

Now some will want to take 2 or 3 of the above misconceptions and apply them to a piece of music or a band which they feel qualifies as being described as Neo-Prog. Setting aside the important point that the same band may be described as Symphonic elsewhere, the idea of using a few of these misconceptions to try to make the point misses the mark since each of the above misconceptions fails to prove it’s point. In fact you could take all 13 and apply them and you would still miss the mark since all 13 are either self-defeating or built on faulty premises. The process of defining something called Neo-Prog fails. ***

It’s inevitable that some will still have a problem with this and may argue that there is definitely something specific they’re hearing in the band’s style that they feel warrants the Neo-Prog label. It may be something as “it just sounds too simple to be compared to some other prog bands” or as one of the sites says in their definition it, “lacks the sophistication of the truly symphonic progressive bands.” And this seems to be the point where so many confuse preference over performance. It is true that some bands create Symphonic Prog that is simpler than others are. There is no arguing that point. It has always been that way. From the very beginnings of Progressive Rock there have been bands performing at all levels of complexity, which to reiterate my point, in no way should qualify them for the Neo-Prog label. This incessant obsessing over complexity in no way brings one any closer to a more authentic Progressive Rock style because Progressive Rock music is about more than just complexity. All one need do is refer back to the defining characteristics that have built the established prog tradition. While complexity is part of the process it is not THE defining element. ***

I have on many occasions challenged readers of my on-line editorials to demonstrate to me how exactly Neo-Prog is different or distinct from Symphonic Prog and to date this challenge has not been met. It hasn’t been met because I believe it cannot be for the very reasons outlined above. All music that might be considered Neo-Prog is in some way really a version of Symphonic Prog and should rightly simply be called that. It defies understanding why some would call bands such as Spock’s Beard or Glass Hammer Neo-Prog and some would not. Even a casual listener will hear the symphonic structure in the music and this is obviously true of so many other bands. The point needs to be emphasized that even the most “mainstream” (dare I use the term?) of symphonic bands, display symphonic tendencies. But hey, just like not everyone is equally metal in heavy metal, so not every symphonic band will have the same level of complexity in their arrangements. But they are Symphonic Prog none the less. ***

There are some who profess to use the term Neo-Prog, not in any negative sense but purely for descriptive purposes. And while this is laudable, I fear it is almost impossible to do consistently since so many of the descriptives attributed to the term come from a negative standpoint. I fail to see how you can use the negative in this case to describe something in a positive way. The logic fails me. Because of the negative connotation one runs the risk of not implying a negative, but a negative being inferred. It is for all these reasons that I believe it is time we stop using a term that is in virtually every aspect, wrong. The prog community of listeners and purchasers would be better served by simply referring to these bands as they rightfully should be described, Symphonic Prog. ***

There are others who intentionally use the term as a pejorative as a means to ward off unsuspecting potential followers. These individuals make no mistake about their dislike of Neo-Prog. They feel in no uncertain terms that this style of music is simply inferior. And they seem to take great pleasure in using the term to reinforce stereotypes of supposed inferiority. This is certainly not unique to Symphonic Progressive Rock. The authors of The Rebel Sell refer in their book of how true classical connoisseurs have found Pavarotti unlistenable for years and their point of why this is so has direct relevance here. It’s not that they find Pavarotti lacking in talent, but that he is considered too “mainstream” or more to the author’s point that he is too “down-market.” The authors, I think correctly point out that in these critics’ system of aesthetic judgment, he can’t be good precisely because so many people like him. It is this sense of elitism that drives the anti-Neo-Prog movement. ***

What these individuals compare any particular Neo-Prog artist to, tends to be intentionally fluid and subjective. This allows them to denigrate any band of their choosing without any sense of consistency. If it justifies their cause a Neo-Prog band that is a little more complex will be compared with something even more complex and so on, all in an effort to do nothing more than criticize musicians creating music that is perhaps less complex that these writers want it to be. How absurd! Once again, preference takes precedence over performance. ***

This nebulous scale is yet another good reason to do away with the term. These individuals would never describe bands as Neo-RIO or Neo-Zeuhl or even Neo-Canterbury. To take it even further there is no such thing as Neo-Reggae or Neo-Country and probably for the same reason new movies made in the Film Noir style are not referred to as Neo-Film Noir. Their use of the Neo-Prog term is in my opinion nothing more than lazy writing stemming from lazy listening. ***

It will be interesting to gauge the reaction to this argument because I dare say it will be predictable. Predictable in that the ones who will object the most will be the ones who either use the term as a pejorative or have a hidden agenda to maintain the status quo for their own benefit. They will either ignore the logic of the argument or make it personal. ***

The only question you really need to ask is this: What stands to be lost if we were to stop using the term Neo-Prog? I would suggest we lose nothing other than the term Neo-Prog that as I hope I’ve demonstrated is totally flawed. The term should in my view be replaced with Symphonic Prog, a term that is at once descriptive and knowable to everyone. And what then do we gain? We gain a more accurate description of the music being created by all these bands. And just in case it needs to be said again, all Neo-Prog is first and foremost Symphonic in nature anyway, so why not. To my mind, that says it all. ***

Drop me an email anytime at jlucky@pacificcoast.net I'd love to hear your thoughts.

 

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